Bought these for one reason, i didn't like the new texture under the wino slip-ons, because i kept getting rocks and what not stuck under them, and i didn't have that problem with the old waffel texture.
Anyways i wasn't planing on using these for skateboarding, however they were a little tight out of the box, so i went skateboarding for 3hours to widen them out. They were nice to skate with but i noticed that they got little bit looser then i prefer for skateboarding around the ancle at the end of my session.
other then that i really like the shoes
